tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7162482350304935910.post3938738881756810555..comments2023-09-27T15:40:56.529+07:00Comments on Thailand Jumped the Shark: Bangkok Post: UDD 8 "Political Prisoners"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7162482350304935910.post-71171567053014977612007-08-07T16:51:00.000+07:002007-08-07T16:51:00.000+07:00Aha Patiwat! Do I detect a tremor in your anger -...Aha Patiwat! Do I detect a tremor in your anger - - fear that the public inquiry into Thaksin's extrajudicial record will formally begin?<BR/><BR/>You Patiwat and Thaksin must really be scared that justice, belated or delayed, will NOT be denied to Thaksin's extrajudicial victims and grieving families.<BR/><BR/>To kill someone on mere SUSPICION is a crime. If the killer also carries a badge, the killing of mere suspects becomes an even more grievous crime. And if the Prime Minister of Thailand himself instigated, directed and supervised the state-organized terror to commit extrajudicial murders of thousands of villagers, on mere suspicion, demanding blacklists from ill-trained easily corrupted village policemen, then requiring weekly kills, that is a horrific crime against humanity and it must NOT go unpunished and the mastermind, the master perpetrator himself, Thaksin Shinawatra, must be brought to justice.<BR/><BR/>I can see Patiwat that you blame the suspects and NOT the killers, exactly like Thaksin . . . <BR/><BR/>Are you also a policeman Patiwat who possess a Ph.D. in criminal justice, like Thaksin?Delhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17152284820410642388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7162482350304935910.post-18201195964204436402007-08-07T15:13:00.000+07:002007-08-07T15:13:00.000+07:00If the military junta cares so much for the souls ...If the military junta cares so much for the souls of the dead drug dealers, then why has it waited almost a year to appoint Former Attorney General Kanit Na Nakhon to lead a special investigative committee into the matter?<BR/><BR/>Why didn't they listen to the loud screams of svl and the families of the drug dealers and instead wait so long to take any action?<BR/><BR/>Dare I say it? Because the junta has never given a damn about the extra-judicial killings. The military cares more about increasing its own budget and forcing its constitution down the throats of the public than about a couple thousand dead ruffians.anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14409603712598293522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7162482350304935910.post-55323918760959352812007-08-06T07:30:00.000+07:002007-08-06T07:30:00.000+07:00Could they vote Mugabe down at Zimbabwe even w/ a ...Could they vote Mugabe down at Zimbabwe even w/ a 5000% inflation rate? Is it Mr. I or Mr. J, never can tell. Could they vote Ferdinand Marcos down at the Philippines?<BR/><BR/>Every rogue leader, whether elected or otherwise, were intent to stay in power by hook and of course by crook?<BR/><BR/>Nah . . . Thailand's political history is moving according to its own pace, culture and flaws, and with rogue leaders like Thaksin not willing to follow the principled script of how to ethically rule, extraconstitutional resets will be seen as necessary by many concerned Thais.Delhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17152284820410642388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7162482350304935910.post-47344793943827974672007-08-06T05:21:00.000+07:002007-08-06T05:21:00.000+07:00Thaksin murdered Thai democracy?You're right, Thai...Thaksin murdered Thai democracy?<BR/>You're right, Thai democracy was in great shape for the 70 or so years up until Thaksin came to power -- how many coups and constitutions were there during that time? How many legitimately elected leaders that weren't overthrown?<BR/><BR/>Using history as a guide -- all of Thailand's modern history, not just the last six years as you so conveniently remember them -- it seems that the army has done more to undermine democracy in Thailand than any politician ever could.<BR/><BR/>Thaksin was dangerous, agreed. However, what good is it to replace one intractable situation with another, ad nauseum? The Thai people needed to vote Thaksin down, anything else is only delaying the inevitable and leading Thailand to a dark place. The Thai language really needs a new word for revolution, as there is a difference between a coup and a revolution in the outside world.<BR/><BR/>Contrary to the myth that the army is the voice of the people and they do nothing out of their own selfish interests, the elected representatives are the voice of the people in a representative government.<BR/>If the people choose corrupt leaders again and again, I would say that the will of the people is to have corrupt leaders, for better or for worse. The people need to sort this out amongst themselves, not rely on their parents or the army or whoever come and rescue them again and again.<BR/><BR/>Getting back to the "Political Prisoners", though, I don't see what a person's affinity for Thaksin has to do with their right to protest.<BR/><BR/>And I know full well you can see that is a 'j', svl. You only use three letters and I get all of them right, can you please get my letter right?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995506880630386688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7162482350304935910.post-24288545676147480542007-08-05T08:34:00.000+07:002007-08-05T08:34:00.000+07:00But of course Mr. I!Had Thaksin behaved ethically ...But of course Mr. I!<BR/><BR/>Had Thaksin behaved ethically and according to the constitutional rule of law, the soldiers would have not been provoked to react extraconstitutionally.<BR/><BR/>Thaksin, Mugabe and Marcos and similarly criminally inclined and divisiveness-inspired leaders are DANGEROUS! And the Thaksin criminal behaviour should raise alarm to every decent and freedom loving Thai that their way of life<BR/>and future are truly being endangered by runaway corruption and cronyism, extrajudicial whimsy and expediency, and blatant divisive politics.<BR/><BR/>By what time frame of reference Mr. I would you want to continue our debate . . . if not past history is involved and our future is at stake?<BR/><BR/>Thaksin murdered Thai democracy, that is my clear judgment of yesterday's tragedy. Whether General Sonthi is a white or a black knight is history in progress . . .Delhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17152284820410642388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7162482350304935910.post-11840686074555197802007-08-04T23:24:00.000+07:002007-08-04T23:24:00.000+07:00I am not Fonzi, please do not address me by that n...I am not Fonzi, please do not address me by that name.<BR/><BR/>'But how many extrajudicial wrongs by Thaksin and those bunch of TRT criminals that still have to be righted'<BR/>So more than two wrongs make a right?<BR/><BR/>Again, it seems you only want to shift the debate into a frame of reference that suits your perspective, svl.<BR/><BR/>Thaksin's crimes do not justify the present rulers behaving any way they want. The specter of 'future Thaksins' is not as menacing as the present threat of 'future Thanoms'. Adjust your frame of reference a little.<BR/><BR/>Again, this blog seems to focus on current events, which means that past wrongs -- such as those committed by Thaksin, Thanom, and everyone in between -- will not be highlighted as much as current ones. Is this really so hard to understand?<BR/>Sorry, I forgot -- without the Thaksin boogeyman the junta and its supporters can not justify their behavior.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995506880630386688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7162482350304935910.post-60439689547169007702007-08-04T08:41:00.000+07:002007-08-04T08:41:00.000+07:00I said if those jailed were applauders of Thaksin'...I said if those jailed were applauders of Thaksin's extrajudicial rampage during 2002-2005, as most of them certainly were, they do not get my sympathy and a few weeks in jail may jolt some conscience in their corrupt brains.<BR/><BR/>But if you interpret that Fonzi as supporting the hijacking of the 'rule of law', well suit yourself.<BR/><BR/>A second wrong does not of course right the first. But how many extrajudicial wrongs by Thaksin and those bunch of TRT criminals that still have to be righted lest future Thaksins could be encouraged to do a repeat Fonzi? <BR/><BR/>Your censure of Thaksin had always been consistently muted and benign Fonzi so that leaves me believing Matty's suspicions about your principles being subsidized from Manchester City could have merits.Delhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17152284820410642388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7162482350304935910.post-24365674758628151532007-08-04T01:20:00.000+07:002007-08-04T01:20:00.000+07:00'Two wrongs do not make a right.'Extrajudicial kil...'Two wrongs do not make a right.'<BR/>Extrajudicial killings under the Thaksin government were wrong.<BR/>Holding an extrajudicial coup (coups, by their very nature, are extrajudicial) to try and right Thaksin's wrongs was also wrong.<BR/><BR/>One travesty of justice does not justify another, and to even present this argument evidences the weak premise for holding a coup. 'We did wrong, but Thaksin did worse' may be an acceptable rationalization in Thailand, but the rest of the world will likely have trouble with this excuse.<BR/><BR/>It appears that svl and matty and others use this argument to try and confuse the issue, not to explain anything but simply to try and shift the debate away from present issues and towards issues that -- again, I fully agree that Thaksin's extrajudicial killings were wrong -- are irrelevant to the issue of the day. They are relevant elsewhere, but should not be lumped in with this larger issue. Or, if we are included Thaksin's extrajudicial killings, can we also include all of the past abuses of power by the armed forces of Thailand -- Thanom and the army did wrong in 1973! -- in this debate?<BR/><BR/>I don't know all of the details behind these arrests, and probably never will as I was not present and there are always at least two sides to every story, but to claim that they are justified because of previous unjustified acts by a man those arrested support is just stupid. I was taught me better while I was a toddler.<BR/><BR/>So, svl, does 'rule of law' mean 'eye for an eye' to you? Does the junta have the right to kill thousands through extrajudicial means also -- and do they hold the higher ground if they only unjustly arrest thousands instead?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995506880630386688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7162482350304935910.post-79464577046198229312007-08-03T16:49:00.000+07:002007-08-03T16:49:00.000+07:00UDD or IUD? But were these 8 IUD leaders the same...UDD or IUD? <BR/><BR/>But were these 8 IUD leaders the same ex-TRT executives who cheered extrajudicial maestro Thaksin Shinawatra to go on with his extrajudicial slaughter of thousands . . . thousands, in clear violation of the rule of law? If they are, they don't get my sympathy and I believe a few more weeks in jail may jolt their conscience a bit about what 'rule of law' truly means.Delhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17152284820410642388noreply@blogger.com